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		<title>By: Six &#8220;hidden gems&#8221;(?) on this blog &#171; Six Things</title>
		<link>http://sixthings.net/2009/04/24/six-highly-provocative-quotes-in-elt/#comment-393</link>
		<dc:creator>Six &#8220;hidden gems&#8221;(?) on this blog &#171; Six Things</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Oct 2010 15:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Six highly provocative quotes in ELT. Seeking a topic for an MA thesis? Seek no further! Any one of these would serve as a great [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
		<link>http://sixthings.net/2009/04/24/six-highly-provocative-quotes-in-elt/#comment-392</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2010 22:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I love them all.

(on your own quote, has Marshall McLuhan&#039;s idea of the &quot;media being the message&quot; come to mind? Also, Neil Postman and Amusing Ourselves to Death on degeneration of public discourse?...25 years after publication I attended a workshop, today 08.2010, on using cell phones in the classroom to engage student interest. Topic to be addressed: poetry!)

tk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I love them all.</p>
<p>(on your own quote, has Marshall McLuhan&#8217;s idea of the &#8220;media being the message&#8221; come to mind? Also, Neil Postman and Amusing Ourselves to Death on degeneration of public discourse?&#8230;25 years after publication I attended a workshop, today 08.2010, on using cell phones in the classroom to engage student interest. Topic to be addressed: poetry!)</p>
<p>tk</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
		<link>http://sixthings.net/2009/04/24/six-highly-provocative-quotes-in-elt/#comment-391</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2010 22:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is pseudo-academic about Hoey&#039;s work?

I guess he makes a living as most of us--producing value for society. Hoey&#039;s work, if we ever get to pay attention to it, might revolutionize ELT.
Discourse analysis and especially corpus linguistics, which informed Lexial Priming 100%, is almost pure empirical science.

Thornbury&#039;s reference to Lewis (Natural Grammar) who has included Hoey (Teaching Collocation) should caution us to think that teaching practice can be happily ignorant of theory. And as unplugged as Thornbury comes across, he is certainly not un-theoried (Conversation: From Description to Pedagogy).

In fact, I have been arguing the point in my work environment that we have a lot of pseudo-teaching going on in classrooms precisely because we are not fully aware of Hoey&#039;s findings. Students are kept busy with nice activities (edutainment: a word that makes my fingernails curl), but they are not learning (acquiring, remembering, storing, recalling, automatizing&gt; priming)language.

best,

tk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is pseudo-academic about Hoey&#8217;s work?</p>
<p>I guess he makes a living as most of us&#8211;producing value for society. Hoey&#8217;s work, if we ever get to pay attention to it, might revolutionize ELT.<br />
Discourse analysis and especially corpus linguistics, which informed Lexial Priming 100%, is almost pure empirical science.</p>
<p>Thornbury&#8217;s reference to Lewis (Natural Grammar) who has included Hoey (Teaching Collocation) should caution us to think that teaching practice can be happily ignorant of theory. And as unplugged as Thornbury comes across, he is certainly not un-theoried (Conversation: From Description to Pedagogy).</p>
<p>In fact, I have been arguing the point in my work environment that we have a lot of pseudo-teaching going on in classrooms precisely because we are not fully aware of Hoey&#8217;s findings. Students are kept busy with nice activities (edutainment: a word that makes my fingernails curl), but they are not learning (acquiring, remembering, storing, recalling, automatizing&gt; priming)language.</p>
<p>best,</p>
<p>tk</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
		<link>http://sixthings.net/2009/04/24/six-highly-provocative-quotes-in-elt/#comment-390</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2010 22:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not read the book?

It does make sense.

And of course, aging brings lots of learning.

tk</description>
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<p>It does make sense.</p>
<p>And of course, aging brings lots of learning.</p>
<p>tk</p>
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		<title>By: List #66 &#171; Six Things</title>
		<link>http://sixthings.net/2009/04/24/six-highly-provocative-quotes-in-elt/#comment-389</link>
		<dc:creator>List #66 &#171; Six Things</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 08:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: dingtonia</title>
		<link>http://sixthings.net/2009/04/24/six-highly-provocative-quotes-in-elt/#comment-388</link>
		<dc:creator>dingtonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 20:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EEEK! And I thought the most provocative thing I had ever read regarding TEFL was from Lewis when he says,airily in his amazing, The English Verb, &quot;...English verbs have only two tenses&quot;. On closer scrutiny and some rather more analytical thought than the blind nodding that indicates unquestioning acceptance, of course, he is right. But try telling that to a bunch of newly CELTA&#039;d bright eyes and you have your work cut out for you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EEEK! And I thought the most provocative thing I had ever read regarding TEFL was from Lewis when he says,airily in his amazing, The English Verb, &#8220;&#8230;English verbs have only two tenses&#8221;. On closer scrutiny and some rather more analytical thought than the blind nodding that indicates unquestioning acceptance, of course, he is right. But try telling that to a bunch of newly CELTA&#8217;d bright eyes and you have your work cut out for you!</p>
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		<title>By: lclandfield</title>
		<link>http://sixthings.net/2009/04/24/six-highly-provocative-quotes-in-elt/#comment-387</link>
		<dc:creator>lclandfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you&#039;re right on many of those points there Sandy, in fact it was only reading some other progressive critiques of Phillipson that I realised myself some of those fallacies. I had been initially seduced by the book&#039;s premise and his style of argument. I recommend Controversies in Applied Linguistics (which I want to use for a list one day...) for more on Phillipson and his critics. And yes, I also agree wholeheartedly with you about the other reading you suggest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re right on many of those points there Sandy, in fact it was only reading some other progressive critiques of Phillipson that I realised myself some of those fallacies. I had been initially seduced by the book&#8217;s premise and his style of argument. I recommend Controversies in Applied Linguistics (which I want to use for a list one day&#8230;) for more on Phillipson and his critics. And yes, I also agree wholeheartedly with you about the other reading you suggest.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy</title>
		<link>http://sixthings.net/2009/04/24/six-highly-provocative-quotes-in-elt/#comment-386</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From a review of LI on Amazon:

While Phillipson [the author] raises many interesting points (the fallacies of ELT among them) his overall thesis has to be rejected on the following grounds (toname but a few):* on its in-built power asymmetry, that is that the devloping countries are seen as being incapable of independent decisions. * the fact that linguistic imperialism is not falsifiable: there is no scenario where Phillipson would admit that English DOES fulfill a useful role in a third world country.* Phillipson&#039;s left-wing terminology and tone: imperialism itself is a left-wing term.* a country&#039;s linguistic ecology is too complex to fit into Phillipson&#039;s neat &quot;black and white&quot; scenario. Phillipon&#039;s book can thus be only a start for a discussion on global English. For further reading I recommend Kachru&#039;s &quot;The Alchemy of English&quot;, Crystals &quot;English as an International Language&quot; (critical reading necessary) and Pennycook&#039;s &quot;The Cultural Politics of English as an International Language.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From a review of LI on Amazon:</p>
<p>While Phillipson [the author] raises many interesting points (the fallacies of ELT among them) his overall thesis has to be rejected on the following grounds (toname but a few):* on its in-built power asymmetry, that is that the devloping countries are seen as being incapable of independent decisions. * the fact that linguistic imperialism is not falsifiable: there is no scenario where Phillipson would admit that English DOES fulfill a useful role in a third world country.* Phillipson&#8217;s left-wing terminology and tone: imperialism itself is a left-wing term.* a country&#8217;s linguistic ecology is too complex to fit into Phillipson&#8217;s neat &#8220;black and white&#8221; scenario. Phillipon&#8217;s book can thus be only a start for a discussion on global English. For further reading I recommend Kachru&#8217;s &#8220;The Alchemy of English&#8221;, Crystals &#8220;English as an International Language&#8221; (critical reading necessary) and Pennycook&#8217;s &#8220;The Cultural Politics of English as an International Language.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy</title>
		<link>http://sixthings.net/2009/04/24/six-highly-provocative-quotes-in-elt/#comment-385</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, we can always justify it by blithely stating that &quot;we wuz just obeyin&#039; orders, matey&quot; - or summat like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, we can always justify it by blithely stating that &#8220;we wuz just obeyin&#8217; orders, matey&#8221; &#8211; or summat like that.</p>
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		<title>By: lclandfield</title>
		<link>http://sixthings.net/2009/04/24/six-highly-provocative-quotes-in-elt/#comment-384</link>
		<dc:creator>lclandfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 10:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hear you compañero!</description>
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